CSS Naked Day

at 19:15 on 04 April 2006, trovster wrote:

If you're that interested in seeing the sites underlying structure, install the web developer toolbar for Firefox and hit ctrl+shift+s (Win), instead of subjecting this to highly confuse users.

at 20:58 on 04 April 2006, Kris R. wrote:

I agree, trovster. It's a neat idea, but I'm not about to belittle the user to try to make a point.

Who's going to care about the "naked" sites besides web geeks that already understand the importance of semantic markup.

at 23:11 on 04 April 2006, Lefteris wrote:

What a stupid idea.

at 05:58 on 05 April 2006, Jono-san wrote:

Or you could just not install anything and click View > Page Style > No Style

at 09:16 on 05 April 2006, Alen wrote:

C'mon folks, why call this stupid?!

It's a statement, and it says "Our sites are accessible".

Sure you can disable styles with dev toolbar at any time, but you're missing the point here. This is a good try to create an awareness that there are sites that can be used even if we strip down the layout.

at 10:14 on 05 April 2006, trovster wrote:

The only people who need this awareness are people interested in web development and accessibility, not Joe Public in the public domain. If they wish to, they can see the underlying structure by doing what was mentioned above.

I'd love to see someone market their site to a client, saying 'here is what it looks like', without styles.

Oh yeh, not to mention the fact it will be highly confusing to Joe Public as it was to me while visiting some sites I knew yesterday.

at 10:37 on 05 April 2006, Alen wrote:

trovster wrote:

The only people who need this awareness are people interested in web development and accessibility

I disagree with you on this. When our clients start demanding accessible sites that's when all web designers will turn to standards. People interested in accessibility are already aware.

Once, again, you're missing the point here. It's not to show how sites would LOOK without styles, it's to show how sites are MADE and STRUCTURED.

If you wish you could say "This is how site LOOK to Google".

Joe Public may be confused but he will also want to know what happend and why. Then he will read and become aware.

at 11:19 on 05 April 2006, trovster wrote:

OK, I agree with your point about giving more awareness to clients. However, who are the people taking part in this? Web developers (mostly) whose sites are visited and read by web developers - the people into standards and who already know about semantics (to some extent).

Dustin, and others, have clearly stated that it would be suicide if sites selling services/anything took part in this idea. These are the types of sites clients will be looking at, and these are the sites that aren't taking part.

What web developers actually need to do, is "advocate the quiet revolution. Many clients just 'want it to look nice'.

Joe Public will be confused and most likely won't want to know what has happened and while, as they'll have closed the page before reading. Visual design has a huge initial impact on users perception of the site, removing that removes users

at 11:21 on 05 April 2006, trovster wrote:

OK, that was supposed to have a link to advocating the quiet revolution by Andy Clarke.

at 11:21 on 05 April 2006, Nick Harris wrote:

I get what Dustin's idea is all about, and I can see the point in it. He actually says in his original post;

If you run an e-commerce website, you ought not participate; this is purely for those with personal blogs or for those who run publications or…whatever.

Which is clearly the sensible way to look at this. Keep it to sites catering to the webbys among us, as Joe Average is more than likely to think that something's broken and lose a little of that oh so valuable loyalty with the site.

That said, I don't think I'd participate with my site (if it were actually live at the moment... ahem) for fear of a prospective client coming to check me out and thinking I'd stuffed something up.

at 11:22 on 05 April 2006, trovster wrote:

Well that sucks. It shows in the preview, but not when posted. Last time - http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/advocating_the_quiet_revolution.html

at 11:26 on 05 April 2006, trovster wrote:

@ Nick: Exactly. And the people visiting the sites which are part taking (most) already know about semantics and know how to turn stylesheets off. Personal blogs will have no impact on clients, the type of people Alen is saying this is targetting for awareness.

at 15:34 on 05 April 2006, Wayne wrote:

Trovster is not looking at the big picture. It's meant to create awareness of standards and help make the web a better place. If this story got picked up by a major media outlet and really created awareness to the mass Joe Public I bet he would change his story. Lets hope the story makes it to newsvine or the like. ez

at 15:40 on 05 April 2006, Mariam Ayyash wrote:

Well, i always wanted to brag about my site structure in front of "designers" and "developers" who are tooooo lazy to do it the right way, i always wanted to disable the css and let people know how it MUST look like, if felt so much joy for others to see that this is how it looks like without the CSS, and believe me, I am targetting developers and designers who do not cut it, i hate that group of people! I remember once a developer called me out and said WOW, you are amazing! why? because he tookl the mockups without the css file, and he was shocked at first, then when applied the css, he knew just then how far I went extracting style from content

Well, all in all, i thank Dustin for the opportunity, now i can direct designers to those sites and say, look, that's how it should be done! I am not the only one saying it!

and add to this, it was FUN :)

at 17:48 on 05 April 2006, Nick Harris wrote:

I like the way Jon Hicks (http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk as if you didn't know) handled it. Removing just the styles from the Journal section of his site. Thus showing off his markup, and not confusing clients wanting his portfolio.

at 20:07 on 05 April 2006, matt wrote:

if anyone participating in this event actually thinks that any of the regular web viewing public give a flying monkey's butt about how a website is actually developed or coded, you are both sorely mistaken and deluded.

what this does do, is to unify the people who follow like lemmings whatever the css celebrities dream up to draw attention and more importantly, clients to them and their sites via grass roots marketing. you are participating in a marketing campaign and you might not even realize it. wake up!

here i am, actually acknowledging this sillyness with a post. meh.

at 02:41 on 06 April 2006, Sarven Capadisli wrote:

I also acknowledge this in similar ways as trovster and matt mentioned above. I've posed a few questions regarding the Future of CSS Naked Day (http://www.csarven.ca/future-of-css-naked-day) since that is essentially what it came down to in my opinion.

Was all this necessary and is it misleading in anyway?

at 23:26 on 12 April 2007, Damon wrote:

If I walked into Target and the drywall was removed so I could see how the building was made and how all the plumbing and wiring was run and how the shelving was put together, I'd leave in a hurry and know someone went nuts...same thing if I landed on your naked site.

-Consumer

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