Apple Boot Camp

at 17:29 on 05 April 2006, David B. wrote:

hahaha they are finally realizing they need to be more agressive in their push into the PC market. they already have stuff like virtual PC but its a separate purchase i guess they learned how to handle it when they had OS9 and OSX on the same machine.

I know people are going to pitch a fit about it, but i persoanlly think its good. maybe the price will begin to come down on the mac as they look for more market share. at the very least it will give those who dispise Microsoft a chance to actually work in the environment and see that IE is the only real 'evil' and the not the OS :)

at 18:23 on 05 April 2006, Chris wrote:

I worked in the environment for 15 years that's why I am under OS X now.

at 18:31 on 05 April 2006, David B. wrote:

i have also worked in both for the last 8 years and i can tell you, that unless you have worked in both for the same amount of time, opinions on it tend to be skewed. i can honestly say that while win95 all the way to winXP was going through its changes. OS5 all the way to OSX was going throught its own changes.

i think what has happened in most cases is that people switched platforms either way (pc to mac or vise versa) right as the two platforms where perfecting their OS's. meaning that OSX is by far the most stable and useable Mac OS and winXP is by far the most stable and usable PC OS. and most of the the time when you hear people complaining about how bad PC is they are usually talking about Millineum or win 2000 or even win 95 which where all horrible OS's. and i can tell you from expericne working with many many Mac users including myself that the same could be said, althought not as much, for OS6, 7, 8 and 9. i think both companies got it right with there lastest OS's

at 18:48 on 05 April 2006, Chris Griffin wrote:

You got it backwards David. Windows is an evil along with IE. They both are clunky and they both are inferior in comparison to OS X and Safari. Converted Mac users are already converted and have no use for Windows other than a few exceptions (IE: Web Designers can test on IE in a Windows environment)

The reason Apple is allowing dual-boot on Macs is to create a segway from Windows to OS X for people who are frustrated with Windows but already have some investment in Windows such as their apps. Apple's ultimate goal is for people to completely migrate to OS X. It's not for already loyal mac users to use Windows, as I already said, they don't have much use for it.

at 20:27 on 05 April 2006, trovster wrote:

I was going to get a MacBookPro, and this just gives me even more reason as I've only ever used Windows - this is the extra incentive to change.

at 20:30 on 05 April 2006, Chris wrote:

Exactly!

Why would I want my OS to allow a web site to install software on my computer without it letting me know or asking me if I want it to?

The only thing Windows XP is good at is making things difficult for the user. Every machine I have ever had it reboots when it feels like for no reason. Since I switched to OS X I have yet to have a single problem and do allot more than I could ever do on a Windows PC.

It manages memory better, it's stable, it's secure, it's intuitive and it's reliable.

at 20:43 on 05 April 2006, Ed wrote:

I think David B hit it on the head. WinXp has it problems just like Mac OSX. Each has it's benefits as well.

I switched to Mac OSX when I only had access to Win2000 even my school at the time hadn't switched over to WinXP. So I was a bit skewed and annoyed with Win. Mac OSX offered the OS that fit my needs. When I started to use WinXP I found that it was a good OS. I got my WinXP certifications so I worked with the OS a lot.

Granted I still work with a Mac it's my preference but I have no issues with PC's either. You can only make a full assement of both after you truely understand how they work. Besides I think with Win Vista it should be a great upgrade for the Win OS.

But to my point I think it will break some barriers betweent the 2 groups who have such a elistist attitude. Calling Microsoft evil is not right cause Apple does the same things as Microsoft it's just makes it look Pretty.

at 21:07 on 05 April 2006, Peter Burgess wrote:

To me there is no comparison. Worked with Windows for 10 years from Windows for Workgroups to XP. Worked with OSX one year after I had bought a G4 at an auction and was blown away. I love it. Since then I sold the G4 and bought a Powerbook. I sold my PC that I used for home use and bought a IMac intel. Everything has been pretty smooth.

The thing I do understand is that Microsoft has such a giant market. The boot camp feature doesnt really hurt Microsoft (since you still need to buy a copy of Windows to use it) as much as it would hurt a PC manufacture like Dell or HP. Though I do think Apple will get a lot of converts once people can compare the two OS's on one computer.

at 21:50 on 05 April 2006, Greg wrote:

I placed my order for a brand new, souped-up (2GB RAM + 256MB vid card) 20" Intel iMac last night. It'll be my first Mac and I'm really, really excited. Why did I switch? Because, as Chris has said ... "It manages memory better, it's stable, it's secure, it's intuitive and it's reliable". I want to find that out for myself.

As a developer, I need Windows so that I can test in IE. So this makes Apple's decision a good thing. I don't mind that I'll be able to play HL2 on a fast rig, too. I think Apple is going to win over a lot of Windows users with this announcement.

at 23:13 on 05 April 2006, David B. wrote:

As soon as apples prices come down and they support the software i already have (you cant buy a Mac upgrade of adobe if you have the PC copies)

its all personaly preference. i have worked on both platforms and for every PC crash i have had a MAC crash. for those who have not experienced this , then good for you, but tie the hankercheif arround your jaw now so you can pull it up the day your MAC does crash :).

im not a fanboy in either direction, i love both platforms and can go back and forth between the two with ease. I just have had the expeirnce that most people who have had a 'bad expereince' have been on crappy OS's and both PC and MAC have had crappy OS's

i think part of the excitement about being a new PC to MAC convert is that MACs are shiny new and beautiful GUI machines. but once the bright fuzzines passes and you really get to grinding out work you may encounter those same issues. the bottom lineis that as the OSs get better you will see less and less c

at 10:56 on 06 April 2006, paul haine wrote:

"you cant buy a Mac upgrade of adobe if you have the PC copies"

Really? I was under the impression that Adobe had no problem with people switching their software licenses from one platform to the other...

at 15:13 on 06 April 2006, Shane Perran wrote:

Not to draw too much flame but I think it's sad the fact that the same people that spend their days bashing Microsoft and their OS are now praising Apple because they're allowing people to run the same OS they have been thrashing.

Don't get me wrong I think it's a step in the right direction for Apple but I mean c'mon doesn't it annoy you to see the same people flaming Microsoft + Windows now praising Apple for letting people run it?

Again - Not meant to be a flame, not targetted toward any posts here - this is a general comment, I am curious what others think.

at 16:07 on 06 April 2006, David B. wrote:

as far as i amaware you have to pay full price if you want to switch. but i could be wrong been a while since i looked at that option. but then the problem would be that its an upgrade and the install looks for a previous version. being that you would not have a previous MAC version that might not install. leaving you to have to buy a full priced version.

shane, i was thinking the same thing just didnt say anything.

at 13:43 on 30 April 2006, Dave Ashe wrote:

I totally agree that OSX is good but has some nasty bugs lurking under the surface, just like windows, such as apps closing down with no warning or reason, finder crashing suddenly and threading issues with mysql which seems to run at a snails pace.. There are some really stupid decisions been made in tiger such as the 'are you sure?' dialogs being replaced with ones that have no keyboard shortcut and dashboard, spotlight are just resource hogs.

I had a G4 powerbook which my gf now uses and it is a really nice piece of kit, better than most pc laptops in terms of build quality.. saying that i know someone with the same machine that had a load of issues getting theirs fixed, and the fact that to change the hard disk required medical precision.. something i wont do ever again!

Windows on a mac is just plain weird.. are they trying to screw with peoples minds? must be something to do with microsoft having a $1 billion stake in apple :-)

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